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Hey PD!
I have been fasting and taking both nicotinamide and hydroxycitrate in the middle of my fasting days. Soon after taking these both–maybe 1-2 hours later– I develop bad headaches and have to take ibuprofen for relief. Any thoughts on why this is happening? Any suggestions to prevent this from occurring? (On fasting days when I don’t take these I can go 24-36 hours without an issue)
JJS, I can’t say I know why. I take both myself, but I don’t think I’ve ever taken them at the exact same time; I have taken them both on the same day. In any case neither one has ever given me a headache. Maybe if you took one or the other, not both, and see if a headache occurs. My opinion is that if you determine that either one or both is giving you a headache, then it’s probably best not to take them; your body may be trying to tell you something by that reaction.
ReplyHello Mangan, glad to see you are still blogging. Have you seen this study?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550413115002247 (I couldn’t find free version, although I have seen one on the interwebz before)
Very intriguing. Multi-day fasting is brutal, but I have tried the diet in the study above and 5 days, while challenging, is definitely nowhere near as tough.
ReplyThanks, Jim, I wrote about that study here: http://roguehealthandfitness.com/fasting-mimicking-diet-slows-aging/ Thanks for adding your experience with the diet. I think it was developed for the exact reason you describe: it’s a lot easier than fasting.
ReplyAh, you’re on top of it already! I saw that on longecity.org, which as you probably know is a great resource. I recently saw this study as well on longecity. It is the most comprehensive and systematic paper I have ever seen on aging and supplementation.
http://www.vincegiuliano.name/Antiagingfirewalls.htm
I am not sure if I am on board with all of that- it seems to me that supplementing with everything that he does is unlikely to give a massive benefit but could up risk massively- but nonetheless it is a very interesting paper for anyone with knowledge of biology (which excludes me).
Do you still blog on politics? I used to visit your site weekly but it appeared as though google “disappeared” the site.
ReplyThanks, Jim, I’ve read quite a bit from that Giuliano guy, he has an extensive blog on aging. I’m no longer blogging on politics, at least for the present, and that blog has been “privatized” – hidden in other words. Maybe some day I’ll go back to it.
ReplyHi, PD!
One of the things that has recently been swirling in my head is the speed with which different proteins are absorbed by our digestive system. Let’s take Whey and Casein as an example – as far as i have read Whey is absorbed within 2 hours( 1.5 hours is the usual time given by people) and Casein within up to 7. This to me seems quite important. If one fasts for 16 hours per day ( last meal 8 pm / first meal noon next day), it seems to me, that eating dairy protein (usually 80% casein) is a bad idea for increasing Autophagy as it seems to cut the time without protein and keep you in the fed state longer. Since i do like hard cheese and many other dairy products( they are a staple here), i have moved them mainly to my lunch/breakfast meal. Any thoughts on that?
ReplyIP, I agree with you. Some studies have shown that taking casein at night before bed leads to greater muscle growth when training. The reason it does this is because casein stays in the system virtually throughout the night, preventing muscle protein breakdown. It will also prevent autophagy, so I won’t be doing that. As far as amounts and timing, that could make for different results; for instance, having a piece of cheese with or after dinner may not have much of an effect – or it might, I don’t think we know.
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ReplyHi Dennis, I’ve just come across this short article from Dr Michael Eades (of Protein Power fame) that you may be interested to read: https://proteinpower.com/drmike/2006/02/27/ketosis-cleans-our-cells/ In the article he states that eating meat and proteins whilst in ketosis actually promotes autophagy: but surely this cannot be true? My understanding was that ingesting any BCAAs (particularly leucine) quickly stopped auotphagy? If his article is in fact true, then that would mean we don’t need to intermittent fast anymore – just go into ketosis, but keep eating meat, dairy and BCAAs to promote autophagy: but surely he has got this wrong? Even Mark Sisson was echoing this view in his weekly ‘Dear Mark’ post yesterday http://www.marksdailyapple.com/keto-follow-up/ (despite having stated in the past that protein stops autophagy). Would love to hear your view on this – and also if this is untrue, why on earth someone as respected as Dr Eades would be propagating this misinformation?
ReplyHi Rob, at the moment Eades’ site isn’t responding, but I read Sisson’s post. What this comes down to is whether the benefits of fasting are entirely due to carbohydrate restriction or not. One study, which I discussed here, concluded that absence of carbohydrate accounted for 100% of the benefits of fasting. Another, discussed here, found that absence of carbohydrate was responsible for 70% of the benefits of fasting. If the latter is true, which I believe it is, then absence of protein would be responsible for the rest. Bottom line is that ketosis does promote autophagy, but complete absence of food promotes it more so. Anyway, that’s how I interpret the state of the evidence; we would need reliable measures of autophagy in humans and a study comparing fasting to a ketogenic diet to settle the matter completely.
ReplyI agree with Dennis below. Apart from that, mTOR is elevated to “growth state” by too much protein while low mTor stimulates what we want when we get older, better maintenance and no cancer growth. Also, excess protein can be converted to carbohydrates as blood glucose, immediately contradicting the arguments for unrestricted proteins.
Dr Ron Rosedale would want to keep proteins low for good reasons. I have now read your book “Stop the Clock”, which I like much! Added to me knowledge several adjuncts for autophagy and confirmed the importance of diurnal abstinence from food. That we maintain our youth “while young” through substantially higher levels of autophagy is also a crucial piece of knowledge! Hopefully we will not see many attempts from Big Food and Big Pharma to demonize fasting and autophagy as “dangerous” because the practices are result in healthier people eating less junk food.
I have read the contrary regarding green tea extract. I understand EECG inhibits autophay where as Green tea encourages it. also I have read that both Zoloft and Niacin increases autophagy as it inhibits mTOR activation. can you elaborate
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